I felt that you wouldn't link to them if you knew the site had articles on pedophile anime and torture porn without condemning them, and banned all forms of criticism and negativity. Also, better people than me have tried to fix the site, and failed. Case in point.
This was formerly the case, but now it's one account per IP. TV Tropes has banned racists like Shichibukai and pedophiles like Chagen46 before, why can't they keep it up? They haven't tried to come back.
Not banned, perhaps, but thumped. Here's at least one example. This post was also thumped.
There's probably more.
I didn't know the FATAL thread was like that. I just wish they were willing to apply that attitude to the racist and sexist tropers.
You have a point there. I actually missed the bit where it was a trigger... that explains a lot.
Again, this is five months minimum
. And even if no mods ran across it, why did none of the tropers object? None of them thought, "Hey, this is sick and wrong. Maybe it might be an invaluable resource, but our site's not for that, it's for playing with fiction."
Again, this was due to external pressure. Even ignoring this, there are tropers who deserve to be banned but aren't:
Does he get banned for advocating eugenics? No.
And there's a "holler" system for alerting the mods. Tropers should be willing to use it.
Do other commentators call these rape apologists and victim blamers out? If so, do you delete their comments because NO NEGATIVITY EVER GUYS?
If you allow non-jerks to tell jerks "your opinions on [X] are bad, and you should feel bad", then that puts you miles ahead of Fast Eddie.
Poor word choice on my part. Perhaps a better way of saying it would be, "Well, if you don't approve of that, try This Troper."
Then why isn't Kodomo no Jikan condemned for portraying pedophilia as acceptable and harmless? Or, to put it another way, why isn't The Turner Diaries simply described as being "not for everyone", like other works promoting pedophilia and rape?
In retrospect, you're right. I shouldn't be condemning the site for allowing these pages. But I will condemn them for denying criticism of them. I accept that there are people who are sexually aroused by children, murder, and mutilation, but I will not accept that I can't criticize it.
There are YMMV pages for all of these. Why can't we just put something like:
As you said, "If you sanitize things you erase the truth." That applies to works some might find disturbing, and it applies to criticism of them.
But since you're no doubt sick of tearing apart my half-assed arguments, I'll just summarize my main points in a clear and concise format (credit goes to Anne Beeche
I feel TV Tropes is a horrible place because:
1. TV Tropes is governed on three principles: "No Such Thing as Notability" (everything deserves an article), "No Negativity" (no criticizing anything ever), and "Don’t Be a Dick" (no calling out racists and pedophiles.)
2. As a result of "No Such Thing As Notability", a lolicon hentai is considered just as worthy of documentation as Lolita. This wouldn’t be a problem, but…
3. As a result of "No Negativity", the lolicon hentai cannot be given the criticism it needs as a work fundamentally disturbed in its values. (Can we agree that sexualizing children is wrong? I hope so.)
4. "No Negativity" and "Don't Be a Dick" also allow people with seriously disturbed views on morals and humanity to voice their opinions largely unchecked.
5. Despite heaps of criticism from outside sources, the administration refuses to change.
If the admins were willing to:
A. Change "No Negativity" to "No Excessive Negativity, But Criticism is Fine"
B. Change "Don't Be a Dick" to "Don't Be a Dick, But Calling Out Racists, Pedophiles And Other Unsavory Folks Isn't Being a Dick"
C. Put "some people think these works are disgusting, others don't, YMMV" on KnJ/USAC/etc.'s pages
I would no longer consider TV Tropes a horrible place.
And IMO, if lurking the site, watching This Troper, reading the SA threads, and this blog
haven't convinced you that, at the very least:
then I doubt anything I could say will.
tl;dr: You've made some good points, but I still hate the site, and you guys still love it, so let's just agree to disagree. At least I've actually learned how to bring up good points rather than just going